Legislature(2007 - 2008)CAPITOL 106

03/25/2008 03:00 PM House HEALTH, EDUCATION & SOCIAL SERVICES


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* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+= SB 241 UNIV. REPORT: TEACHER TRAINING/RETENTION TELECONFERENCED
Moved HCS CSSB 241(HES) Out of Committee
+= HB 397 POSTSECONDARY SCHOLARSHIPS TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 397(HES) Out of Committee
*+ HB 403 APPROP: SCHOLARSHIP FUND TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
*+ HB 306 PRE-ELEMENTARY SCHOOL PROGRAMS/PLANS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
HB 403-APPROP: SCHOLARSHIP FUND                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:32:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICE CHAIR ROSES announced that  the next order of business would                                                               
be HOUSE BILL NO. 403,  "An Act appropriating $100,000,000 to the                                                               
Alaska  achievers'   scholarship  fund;  and  providing   for  an                                                               
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:32:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHRISTIAN   GOU-LEONHARDT,   Staff    to   Representative   David                                                               
Guttenberg, Alaska  State Legislature, speaking on  behalf of the                                                               
sponsor, Representative  Guttenberg, informed the  committee that                                                               
HB 403 appropriates $100,000,000  to fund the scholarship program                                                               
endowment established by HB 397.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:33:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FAIRCLOUGH asked  whether public  testimony would                                                               
be heard.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:33:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICE CHAIR ROSES called for  public testimony.  There being none,                                                               
public testimony was closed.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:33:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FAIRCLOUGH  asked why the  bill does not  have any                                                               
dedication  of  funds and  whether  it  is  not necessary  on  an                                                               
appropriation bill.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:34:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GOU-LEONHARDT  explained  that,  in  HB  397,  the  enabling                                                               
language for  the scholarship fund  is found  on page 3,  line 21                                                               
through 23, and read:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     "Money   in   the   fund  may   be   appropriated   for                                                                    
     scholarships  under  AS  14.43.190  or  for  any  other                                                                    
     public  purpose.   Nothing in  this  section creates  a                                                                    
     dedicated fund."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FAIRCLOUGH  further asked whether a  dedication of                                                               
funds is necessary in HB 403.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:35:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS  opined that the  purpose of HB  403 was to  create a                                                               
fund. [Her testimony was interrupted by technical difficulties.]                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:35:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICE CHAIR ROSES asked Representative  Fairclough to re-state her                                                               
question.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FAIRCLOUGH remarked:                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     I  understand that,  in the  bill that's  already moved                                                                    
     from  committee,  that we  created  the  shell, or  the                                                                    
     framework  to establish  the fund  and  inside of  that                                                                    
     there was a  question about, or an answer  to, "this is                                                                    
     not a dedicated  fund."  On page 1, of  HB 403, on line                                                                    
     7, it  says "endowment fund  and does not lapse."   And                                                                    
     usually when I see the  "does not lapse" in other bills                                                                    
     that  I've seen  ... I've  seen somehow  a re-statement                                                                    
     that it is not a dedicated fund.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:37:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LES  GARA,  Alaska State  Legislature,  explained                                                               
that  a dedicated  fund is  created  by saying,  "in the  future,                                                               
money should  be put into this  fund."  A future  legislature can                                                               
not be obligated to put money  into a certain fund, and a certain                                                               
amount can  not be dedicated to  a particular fund.   However, in                                                               
the  appropriation  process  funds   are  always  dedicated,  for                                                               
example, to a  bridge.  Representative Gara  concluded that there                                                               
is  not   a  dedicated  fund   when  the  legislature   makes  an                                                               
appropriation.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:38:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICE CHAIR  ROSES pointed out  that the  issue was on  the record                                                               
for the House Finance Committee to address.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:38:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CISSNA affirmed  that HB  403 would  establish an                                                               
endowment  that would  not lapse  and would  be continued  by its                                                               
interest and future funding.   She opined that this funding could                                                               
turn the [low] education statistics around for the state.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:39:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GUTTENBERG  agreed  with  Representative  Cissna.                                                               
Furthermore,  these   funds,  unlike  dedicated  funds,   can  be                                                               
reappropriated and are  not locked away;   future legislators can                                                               
access this money.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:40:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   FAIRCLOUGH    expressed   her    reluctance   at                                                               
recommending an  appropriation of  $100 million, given  the other                                                               
needs across the state.  She  compared the ways in which money is                                                               
disbursed  and the  difficulties in  prioritizing the  funding of                                                               
programs that are necessary  for transportation, early education,                                                               
and other  worthy programs.   She  concluded that  advocating for                                                               
this type  of funding with the  rural and urban needs  that exist                                                               
in Alaska is difficult.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:42:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KELLER  stated that  he  would  vote against  the                                                               
bill.  He recalled his support  for the original concept that was                                                               
for a  merit based scholarship program;  however, the requirement                                                               
that a student  maintain a cumulative 3.0 grade  point average is                                                               
very  different  from scholarships  that  demand  high levels  of                                                               
achievement.  He said that  he understood the difficulty students                                                               
face  as he  struggled  to  pay for  his  own college  education.                                                               
Representative Keller  opined that the legislature  needs to take                                                               
the time to establish a merit based program.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:44:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CISSNA stressed  that  Alaska  is not  graduating                                                               
enough students with  higher degrees, thus the  state must import                                                               
its  professional  workforce  and  depend  on  oil  and  gas  for                                                               
revenue.  She expressed her  belief that there must be incentives                                                               
to keep  young people in  the state.   She pointed out  that she,                                                               
also, paid for her college education.   To address the funding of                                                               
how to support  all of the worthy issues in  the state would take                                                               
a comprehensive look  at the budget during a  session longer than                                                               
90  days.     Representative Cissna  concluded  that growing  the                                                               
state's economy is dependent on the passage of this bill.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:47:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER  reminded the committee  that, nationally,                                                               
the U.S. is  losing ground on the education  front and statistics                                                               
show that  Alaska is  near the bottom  in the U.S.   There  is an                                                               
overall need  to promote education  in general.  She  opined that                                                               
merit based scholarships  serve a purpose to  inspire high school                                                               
students; however,  high achievers  have a  wide choice  of where                                                               
they  might attend  college.   A  need-based scholarship  program                                                               
would support students  who have abilities but  may have families                                                               
or need extra study time.  She stated  that the bill is part of a                                                               
long  term  plan  to  improve the  education  level  of  Alaska's                                                               
permanent residents.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:50:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICE CHAIR  ROSES announced that  HB 403  would be held  until it                                                               
could be considered by the full committee.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:50:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                

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